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OIL LEAK,CAR IS SORN!

#1 Post by discodude » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:35 pm

Hi Guys, I have not been on here for quite a while, due to the fact I have sorn my cabriolet, and lost interest.
I now want to get it back on the road, but first need advice.
I had an oil leak, which I was told was down to my cam belt/seals.
cam belt and seals were changed, but it was still leaking.
the garage changed these a second time {free of charge},but also said I have got a weeping head gasket!
it was still leaking!!!
it went back and they are now saying I need new cams.
this again was not charged.
they said I can still use the car, but I need to keep topping up the oil.
at this point I sorn the car.
so, what should I do, and how bad is a weeping head gasket.

thanks

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#2 Post by crepello » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:57 pm

It depends to an extent which type of engine yours has, as to the urgency of sorting a head gasket weep, and also which fluid is involved. If it's a K-series, and oil is the fluid, then I would be surprised if it could escape without also entering the coolant circuit and setting you up for a messy gasket replacement job.

A bit tricky shaking down a car post-repair when it's on SORN, and MoT has run out!

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#3 Post by discodude » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:04 pm

hi and thanks.
the car is a 97 216 cabriolet, and yes its got the K series engine.
I've already had the engine replaced due to hgf!
it passed the mot in july,2014 I think, then I got the leak in August.

please help

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#4 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:14 pm

I have had a few K-series cars with oil leaking out from the timing belt end of the engine but no problems with internal oil + water mixing.

It is messy, but if it is not getting inside the timing cover and contaminating the belt, it is not a high risk.

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#5 Post by ROVER-25X » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:10 pm

The Cam Seals on my Dad's 25 were leaking but got that all sorted and cleaned up, no
sign of leakage now, just wondering why they replaced the cams ?
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#6 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:43 pm

They probably saw some polish marks on the cams where the seal lips have rubbed on them and are assuming that the oil must be passing through there. :S

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#7 Post by discodude » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:55 pm

hi guys, the cams have not been replaced, they have just said I need new cams?
this was after changing the cam belt and seals twice. :cursing :S

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#8 Post by E_T_V » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:42 am

It is very unusual to need new cams. However camshaft oil seal leaks are more common.

Oil leaks from the headgasket are pretty much unheard of (They leak water though!).
Oil leaks from the cam ladder can occur especially if the wrong sealant is used - it is unusual stuff.
Oil leaks from the cam cover are relatively common and easy to fix with a new gasket. They are usually a very slow leak though.

Depending on the types of cam seals fitted they need to be fitted the right way around, i.e. the ones on one end of the engine are different to the other end. They are different colours to denote which end they need fitting in.

Some later aftermarket seals are not directional and can be fitted in either end.

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#9 Post by discodude » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:12 pm

hi guys, thanks for your replies.
think I will get a second opinion, especially as I want it back on the road.

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#10 Post by Nudge » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:53 am

E_T_V wrote:It is very unusual to need new cams. However camshaft oil seal leaks are more common.
Depending on the types of cam seals fitted they need to be fitted the right way around, i.e. the ones on one end of the engine are different to the other end. They are different colours to denote which end they need fitting in.

Some later aftermarket seals are not directional and can be fitted in either end.

I also think its what ETV says.....I did replace my ones on the cab, as I had the same problem.
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#11 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:35 pm

The git seal can wear a ridge or mark into the seal surface of the shaft. We used to experience this problem with the out put drive flange on big commercial gearbox's, the laborious first answer was fine wet and dry and polish out the wear mark on the flange seal surface. Then fit a new seal and lubricate the seal lip with oil before fitting. This used to work I should add, as we tested the box's on a couple of test rigs.

There are lot's of glitches involved in changing the camshaft's because you need to change the cam followers too.
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