Sagging Headlining

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Sagging Headlining

#1 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:42 am

I've noticed the headlining in my 416 is sagging and I want to get this sorted. I'd rather take it somewhere to get it done professionally.

So a couple of questions:

- To make sure I'm not going to get ripped off when I'm getting quotes, what sort of money am I looking at?

- What sort of places do this? Should I be looking for a specialist motoring upholsterer? Do they exist?

- Finally can anyone recommend anyone in Yorkshire?
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1996-N Nightfire 420 GSi Tourer
2005 Volvo V50 1.8 Sport
Former:
1994-M BRG 214 SEi
1995-N Silver 214 SEi
1995-N Nightfire Red 214 SEi
1995-M Silver 216 SLi
1993-K Caribbean Blue 216 Cabriolet
1990-G White 416 GSi
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Re: Sagging Headlining

#2 Post by Hammond » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:45 am

All very good questions :clapping

And as mine is also sagging ones I could do with answering too so if you find out let me know :wink3
Current:
416GTi Auto 'Diamond White' (J reg)
MGF 1.8 VVC Freestyle 'Solar Red'

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216GSi Auto 'Gold' (H397 HUD)
414Si 'Ocean Blue' (R478 AHJ) Bubble
414SEi 'Bermuda Blue' (V52 VFL) Bubble
214SEi 'Nightfire Red' (M755 SVR)
214i Sprint 'Flame Red' (M726 JOH)

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#3 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:58 am

I've answered one! Yes there are vehicle trimmers aplenty out there, including a few in Yorkshire.... Will report back with any findings.
Current:
1996-N Nightfire 420 GSi Tourer
2005 Volvo V50 1.8 Sport
Former:
1994-M BRG 214 SEi
1995-N Silver 214 SEi
1995-N Nightfire Red 214 SEi
1995-M Silver 216 SLi
1993-K Caribbean Blue 216 Cabriolet
1990-G White 416 GSi
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Re: Sagging Headlining

#4 Post by 1234dist » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:03 am

you take it somewhere you are going to be paying triple digits.

Its such an easy job if you have space to to do it.

Hard part, get the liner out of the car, especially hard with 400's as no big hatch out the back to pull it through.

Put on flat, hard surface.

grab a sander and light paper to get as much of the orange foam of as possible.

Waste an entire tin of spray glue on the surface and let it dry.

Grab some roof lining fabric off ebay.

Spray another liberal coating of spray glue to the liner and if available use another person to pull it tight over the board so it over laps the liner and use a pressing roller to get into all those nooks and crannies.

Leave to dry for as long as you can

When ready, flip it over and neaten the edges and trim off any excess and use your glue again to stick it down.

Leave to dry for as long as you can

Refit.

Simples :thumbup
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Re: Sagging Headlining

#5 Post by Hammond » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:49 am

1234dist wrote:
Its such an easy job if you have space to to do it.

:thumbup
I failed on the first point :laughing

Although mine is a 214 so pulling it out should be easier I guess

Still rather pay someone but obviously there's a limit :cool
Current:
416GTi Auto 'Diamond White' (J reg)
MGF 1.8 VVC Freestyle 'Solar Red'

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216GSi Auto 'Gold' (H397 HUD)
414Si 'Ocean Blue' (R478 AHJ) Bubble
414SEi 'Bermuda Blue' (V52 VFL) Bubble
214SEi 'Nightfire Red' (M755 SVR)
214i Sprint 'Flame Red' (M726 JOH)

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#6 Post by crepello » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:44 am

I managed to do mine on the k1tchen table while no-one was around for an afternoon. There is a spray adhesive specifically for this sort of job which sprays out as a strange string, which I used just outside our back door. The cloth itself came from Woolies: http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/c-93-brushed-nylon.aspx.

Once it was done, the wind got up for days, and I couldn't carry it safely back to the car!

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#7 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:50 am

Interesting tips guys - maybe I'll give it a go. Sounds like a right faff of a of a job though.
Current:
1996-N Nightfire 420 GSi Tourer
2005 Volvo V50 1.8 Sport
Former:
1994-M BRG 214 SEi
1995-N Silver 214 SEi
1995-N Nightfire Red 214 SEi
1995-M Silver 216 SLi
1993-K Caribbean Blue 216 Cabriolet
1990-G White 416 GSi
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Re: Sagging Headlining

#8 Post by alviseven » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:34 pm

Do it in the car - bit messy but hoover up afterwards.
Do not even take the lining down.
Use a high temp spray contact adhesive.
Remove the trim at the rear of the lining - easy if it is a hatch back and the roof lining is really sagging. Brush hand hard over the existing roof surface board and hoover out as much of the collapsed foam as possible. The more you can get out the better and if you rub the roof board hard the remains of the foam comes off but it is quite hard work. Try not to get the fabric loose along the door tops. I was helped with sunroofs which allow access around the front areas but if you do not have this then the sides by the front doors should come off? Certainly this was the approach I took with the astra estate I have similarly treated.
Once the area is as clean as you can get it - do not forget the nooks and cranies in the corners but you will not get it all out and especially around the head dent in the rear seat area if you have a sunroof as these come loose more easily later.
Spray virtually the entire can of spray gun into the area - pay particular attention to the hardboard roof lining but also saturate the lining fabric as much as you can. Do not get the fabric so wet that it comes sticky on the seen side but it does need a good covering.
Leave the glue to cure for a while - 5mins or so. At this point you need a few deep breaths of fresh air as well else you will be high as a kite!
From the inside of the car you can now gently push the fabric of the lining up onto the board back in position. You can do this relatively easily and should not get any creases if you are methodical and careful. You have to avoid stretching the fabric and pulling it out of shape but also make sure it still fits around the edges.
Replace the rear access strip you carefully removed along the rear hatch hinge area. This pops into place but may get one or two clips broken but I have had both of mine off - couple of times and they go back ok.
Cost - one can of high temp spray adhesive per attempt. Expect to pay about £10 can on ebay. Time - one good afternoon. Result works for about four to five years perfectly well. Good luck
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Re: Sagging Headlining

#9 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:47 pm

Brill thank you for that. You've given me the confidence to give it a go :-)
Current:
1996-N Nightfire 420 GSi Tourer
2005 Volvo V50 1.8 Sport
Former:
1994-M BRG 214 SEi
1995-N Silver 214 SEi
1995-N Nightfire Red 214 SEi
1995-M Silver 216 SLi
1993-K Caribbean Blue 216 Cabriolet
1990-G White 416 GSi
+ a 25, 45 & 75

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#10 Post by crepello » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:09 pm

Now where did I put that ghost emoji?

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#11 Post by E_T_V » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:03 pm

Have a look here:

http://maestro.org.uk/forums/forum/tech ... -a-montego

Not a rover 200 but a very similar process and a good write up from Jeff.

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#12 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:32 pm

That's a brilliant guide - thanks very much!
Current:
1996-N Nightfire 420 GSi Tourer
2005 Volvo V50 1.8 Sport
Former:
1994-M BRG 214 SEi
1995-N Silver 214 SEi
1995-N Nightfire Red 214 SEi
1995-M Silver 216 SLi
1993-K Caribbean Blue 216 Cabriolet
1990-G White 416 GSi
+ a 25, 45 & 75

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#13 Post by 1234dist » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:41 am

Only real difference from doing it in the car vs out of the car is gravity will be helping rather than hindering adhesion with it out of the car.

That and you can leave it to dry a lot longer, if you have somewhere to put it.

Will be doing this to the Git soon enough and as always :kewlpics will be provided.

As my door cards need doing too, i opted to go Sued (effect). 3mtr
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And as per my way of doing it once!!!
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1 tin for a sticky layer
1 tin to stick fabric to sticky layer
1 tin door cards.

Total cost £71.73 inc postage which should cover roof and door cards nicely if i cut it right.

If your tool box doesn't contain one, i would recommend this rather than scissors (if rough edges bother you).
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Re: Sagging Headlining

#14 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:39 pm

A perfect project for the NEC Restoration Show! (But not this year, as we already have enough to do :laughing2 )

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Re: Sagging Headlining

#15 Post by montegoman » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:15 pm

I believe they did one on the Maestro & Montego OC stand last year.
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