1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

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1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#1 Post by Soundwave » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:15 am

Hey all! Just thought I'd start a thread about this 216 which I acquired on Tuesday, on a bit of a whim because it was local and cheap! I don't have a whole lot of experience with Rovers beyond my parents owning them when I was a teenager, so this should be an experience! I'm primarily an aircooled VW bod with a side interest in Mazda MX5s, so this is a bit of a departure for me!

With my Beetle project not moving anywhere fast, my MX5 still on the road but in need of work soon and a modern Skoda daily to keep fuelled and serviced, the most sensible thing to do was buy ANOTHER old car. What else? :laughing2

I suddenly found myself wanting a 'bread and butter' car from the 90s, and after missing out on a bargain Volvo 900 series, instead went for this 216, found locally in Facebook marketplace:

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It's a 1995 216SLi, it's got 89k on the clock and is family owned from nearly new... the chap who owned it from 1996 to his passing in 2019 was a former Rover employee. So while it's got issues, it's been looked after where it counts.

Image20201020_163414 by Sam E, on Flickr


The issues are mostly cosmetic. Has some battle scars, and some lacquer crazing on the roof and tailgate...

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But... all this aside, like I said it's been looked after where it counts. A folder of old MOTs and receipts...

Image20201020_163725 by Sam E, on Flickr

The interior needs a bit of work, but it's very original. Even down to the (working) original radio! Although it currently only makes noise out of one speaker...

Image20201020_163607 by Sam E, on Flickr

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Where this one really shines though, is its structural integrity. Arches, sills and boot floor have never even seen a welder on this. In fact the only significant rust on the whole car is a small patch on one door.

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So there we go. The owner who I bought it from was the daughter of the chap who'd owned it for most of its life, and had inherited it upon his death. She was very attached to the car and wanted it to go to someone who could look after it. Unfortunately I answered the ad first. :laughing2 In all seriousness, I'll definitely try my best.

As for WHAT I'll actually do with it... I really don't know. Short term plan is to sort a few of its less signficant niggles such as windows, headliner and locks, then maybe investigate the high bite point (my wishful thinking side says clutch cable... but in reality I'm budgeting for a clutch kit!).


Overall though, really happy with it so far. It surprised me just how genuinely nice it is to drive, feels very planted and solid on the road. There's a nice weight to it all.

Image20201020_170242 by Sam E, on Flickr

(Controls are heavier than I'd expected though - 2 minutes after I took this photo I jumped into my 2017 Skoda having just driven the Rover for an hour, and very nearly stamped the pedals though the floor!)

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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#2 Post by GTiJohn » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:08 am

Looks like you've got yourself a nice R8 there :clapping

You'll find several owners undertaking similar projects one here to help you with yours.

2 items to look at the try to ensure continued mobility are the radiator core , which rots out from the bottom, and the fuel pump relay, which causes the car not to start, especially when warm.

Luckily both are relatively easy fixes - radiators for manual R8 appear easy to source and the relay can be bewildered to cure the dry joint issue.

Enjoy :D
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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#3 Post by 961tat » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:49 am

Looks very nice love the colour and no rusty aches , to add to John's list if i may of continuous mobility check the petrol neck filler were it goes into the fuel tank on some car they rust away abit of TLC now and that another job done . :D

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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#4 Post by redandwhitE » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:41 am

Is anybody going to tell him/her about the high bite point........?
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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#5 Post by Cthomas » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 am

I saw your post on retro rides
Rover 216 vdp 1990
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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#6 Post by Soundwave » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:51 am

redandwhitE wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:41 am
Is anybody going to tell him/her about the high bite point........?
Him. :D And go on, I'm intrigued..? I always assumed a high bite point meant the clutch probably doesn't have long to live?

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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#7 Post by Plodder » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:23 am

That looks like a really solid example that you’ve got hopefully you can turn it into a great looking car without too much problem.
Good luck :cool
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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#8 Post by redandwhitE » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:34 am

Soundwave wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:51 am
redandwhitE wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:41 am
Is anybody going to tell him/her about the high bite point........?
Him. :D And go on, I'm intrigued..? I always assumed a high bite point meant the clutch probably doesn't have long to live?
Well there are much more knowledgeable folk on here but the five Rovers I've owned have all had the 'high bite', it's just how they are. I've never had to replace a clutch.....yet.

As I say, there are smarter people on here who will be able to explain a bit more about it but from a layman, I wouldn't worry too much just yet.

Enjoy the car, the R8's are brilliant......
1995 416 SLi (BRG) - OTR
2004 45 Imp Diesel (silver) - OTR
2004 45 Club SE (red) - not OTR
1993 416 GSi (BRG) - not OTR
1972 Mercedes 350 SL (red) - not OTR
1998 Audi Cabriolet (maroon) - not OTR

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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#9 Post by Soundwave » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:59 pm

redandwhitE wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:34 am
Soundwave wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:51 am
redandwhitE wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:41 am
Is anybody going to tell him/her about the high bite point........?
Him. :D And go on, I'm intrigued..? I always assumed a high bite point meant the clutch probably doesn't have long to live?
Well there are much more knowledgeable folk on here but the five Rovers I've owned have all had the 'high bite', it's just how they are. I've never had to replace a clutch.....yet.

As I say, there are smarter people on here who will be able to explain a bit more about it but from a layman, I wouldn't worry too much just yet.

Enjoy the car, the R8's are brilliant......

Good to know, thank you!

Now, another possibly dumb question from the completely uninitiated (me!)... when a car's got the remote fob locking, is it normal for it to not have a keyhole in the passenger door? Appears to have some kind of plate over it. My mum used to have a 200 and that had a keyhole on its passenger side, although if memory serves it didn't have the fob locking. Just trying to figure out if that's a normal thing or whether I need to get a lock barrel for the passenger side? Last owner wasn't sure either.

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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#10 Post by alviseven » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:50 pm

Normal I pretty certain. The early cars do have lock both side but the later ones only drivers side.
Ours are quite high bite point on both of our 216 D16 honda engines and have done clutch on one which was worn out at about 210K I think and other is starting to get that way about 200K ish. Howver the bite is still the same on both the new clutch car and the going not sure how far gone its is car!

If you think the controls are hard work try a pre war crash gearbox car! I then stamp the rover controls and brake particularly to the floor with the result head bang to the screen if I am not careful!

Looks a lovely car - nice to have so few welding issues too.

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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#11 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:33 pm

The passenger's door lock barrel was deleted for 1994 model year if I remember correctly: the reason given at the time was that it enhanced security because many thieves would attack the lock barrel on the pavement side of a parked car.
I would think there would have been a useful cost saving for Rover too: a small stainless steel blanking plate vs the cost of a lock barrel, associated linkages and microswitch.

When I bought my 420 GSi Turbo in 1997, the previous owner had given the driver's door handle the same treatment (as well as fitting a Thatcham-approved immobiliser that required me to poke a sensor on the dash with a stick attached to the keyring every time I wanted to start the car).
Getting into the car after the battery went flat was challenging, to say the least. It involved using the key to open the boot, unscrewing one of the rear speakers and then poking a modified broom handle through the speaker hole so that i could 'hook' one of the rear door lock buttons upwards! :laughing2
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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#12 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:21 pm

220 GSi turbo wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:33 pm
Getting into the car after the battery went flat was challenging, to say the least. It involved using the key to open the boot, unscrewing one of the rear speakers and then poking a modified broom handle through the speaker hole so that i could 'hook' one of the rear door lock buttons upwards! :laughing2
:laughing2 You should have removed the central locking and made that the default way of opening the car! A security level unmatched by modern electronics :laughing2

When BMW were designing the latest "on person" unlocking modules for their cars, why didn't they just do this instead? They could have included a BMW-branded broom handle in a nice compartment in the boot too... (alongside the umbrella accessory).
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Re: 1995 216SLI - impulse purchase!

#13 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:15 pm

Reference the clutch bite point; it's a manually adjusted clutch cable and you will need to remove the induction trunking/battery/battery tray to get near it.
A set of 3/8 sq drive single hex' sockets will be very useful, pull back the adjuster as its located by small round dowels in the friction face before turning it!
While you're in there perfect time to change the thermostat/coolant at the same time; I would use conventional antifreeze myself, not Halfrauds ready mix, but a good quality aftermarket product.

The 214/414 have a high bite point because of the spring locating the cable outer.

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