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Possible new project would you be interested?

#1 Post by JOHNDQ » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:43 pm

Hello everyone as im sure you know i have a on going project with my 214 for use in motorsport but ive been thinking of a 2nd one for a bit of fun really and not on the scale as said 214. After my little outing at Santa Pod with the 200 the other week i fancy doing a turbo project to enter the FWD challenge with. What i was wondering is, if its something you as members would be interested in and also the club (letting me sticker up the car with the club logo etc) , i dont mean in terms of funds but maybe a few parts (you didnt need anymore if i couldnt find a part) or possible a few hours spare if i was ever stuck, info if i use the T16 engine that kind of thing :tt2

So anyway this is what i am thinking of a car to run in the FWD class of the street car challenge drag series, just has to have a MOT, This is what im thinking of.....

A 400 Tourer, i know its a bit heavier than a hatch or coupe but the idea is for people to think what the hell has someone brought that here for and will get noticed (and the p**s taken) more.
1.8 K Series turbo with bigger turbo, vvc head, piper cams etc (I have a standard 1.8 K turbo already) or the T16 2 Litre turbo (i know someone selling a cheap 620 t.i that has bad body but good mechanics) again with bigger cams/turbo

Obviously i know im not going to be able to win the series as some of the Honda's are running in low 11 seconds and high 10 seconds but to make it worth while i need to be able to dip into the high 12's (for example when i ran in the series with my Lancer Evo 7 RS the car weighed around 1400kg, super close factory gearing with 400bhp i ran 12.0 - 12.3 @ 113-116 mph every run)

So what im asking is if.....

1. Is it something people would be interested in supporting and coming to watch if possible
2. What engine would you guys advise using (other than basic maintenance i havnt done much with the T Series, always been the K Series ive been involved with) I know the T16 will make more power but will the lighter weight and faster revving of the K Series be better.
3. What do you guys think the the whole idea really i.e would you be happy to see something like this adverting the 200/400 owners club

The main reason im asking now is because the person wants the 620 gone this week so if we chose the old, heavy T16 i need to move quick before it goes.

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SAY WHAT YOUR THINKING just dont shoot me down to hard :rolleyes

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#2 Post by JOHNDQ » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:55 pm

Also what sort of power would you think the T16 would put out do you think with a set of cams, larger turbo, lightened and balanced, open exhaust, mapped running on VP Racing fuel :blink

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#3 Post by 1234dist » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:30 pm

Firstly, WHAT THE ACTUAL F***

Ok thats out of my system.

Right vvc turbo on custom ecu and bigger turbo is a lot of money on its own.
620ti turbo engine is easier you'd still struggle to pop 230bhp on stock pistons.

Either engine for worthwhile mods would be £2k+

and you could save all the time and effort by getting something lighter.

What you need to be thinking is MGF with ti stock engine un-modified (you won't need it) and rear wheel drive.
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#4 Post by JOHNDQ » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:41 pm

Not much point running in the RWD class some of those cars running in 9's not even worth tuning up. As for the engine i want to run Rover really as be easier. I do have a 4G63 Evo bottom end as 80 Series turbo so that will turn 400bhp with a stock GSR head but then what gearbox am i going to use? How am i going to mount it into the Rover? Forged pistons for the T series are around £600 are they not give or take?

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#5 Post by ROVER-25X » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:20 am

How about a Derv MGF conversion ?

I got 90% of the parts for mine but tin worm got the better of the MGF itself so I had to sell most of it.

The 2.0 L-Series can be modded to get 160+ brake with bolt on bits and a £100 remap.

The engine is also set up better for the MGF and the exhaust is stupidly simple.

I had a charge cooler for mine so that solved the turbo issue.

I really wanted to revisit this project, its never been done, few people said it had, one guy claimed to but
the all went quiet when I asked for pics or post, there was no evidence to back up everyones claims.

Anyway, just a suggestion to throw at you. :D
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#6 Post by JOHNDQ » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:29 pm

ROVER-25X wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:20 am
How about a Derv MGF conversion ?

I got 90% of the parts for mine but tin worm got the better of the MGF itself so I had to sell most of it.

The 2.0 L-Series can be modded to get 160+ brake with bolt on bits and a £100 remap.

The engine is also set up better for the MGF and the exhaust is stupidly simple.

I had a charge cooler for mine so that solved the turbo issue.

I really wanted to revisit this project, its never been done, few people said it had, one guy claimed to but
the all went quiet when I asked for pics or post, there was no evidence to back up everyones claims.

Anyway, just a suggestion to throw at you. :D
All about suggestions mate glad you replied :clapping I think I might still get the 620 so I can get the diff for my 200 but I'm not going to use the T16 for the power it makes its pointless going to take to much to run the times I need. I I've been talking to someone using it in a ZR with a fair few mods and with proper super soft semi slick tyres best he can do is 14.0 running on an Emerald ECU mapped to the engine. If I do it I'm going to use the Evo engine but I think you should do the MGF :wink3

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#7 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:30 pm

Beef is rebuilding two race spec T Series engines he may be interested in a collaboration?

He never spoke about what vehicle he was going to 'slip' it into once rebuilt? :)

Sounds a very interesting idea by the way!
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#8 Post by JOHNDQ » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:31 pm

Mr Teddy Bear wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:30 pm
Beef is rebuilding two race spec T Series engines he may be interested in a collaboration?

He never spoke about what vehicle he was going to 'slip' it into once rebuilt? :)

Sounds a very interesting idea by the way!
I'd be interested to see what those engines put out any build thread on them all tho finding a Tourer looks like might be the hardest part of it all :laughing2

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#9 Post by 1234dist » Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:51 pm

He wants at least one engine in a white 3dr as that’s what car it was originally fitted too.
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#10 Post by ROVER-25X » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:41 pm

Well John's is half White, not "A'lwight" :laughing2 :laughing2
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#11 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:45 pm

JOHNDQ wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:29 pm
All about suggestions mate glad you replied :clapping I think I might still get the 620 so I can get the diff for my 200 but I'm not going to use the T16 for the power it makes its pointless going to take to much to run the times I need. I I've been talking to someone using it in a ZR with a fair few mods and with proper super soft semi slick tyres best he can do is 14.0 running on an Emerald ECU mapped to the engine. If I do it I'm going to use the Evo engine but I think you should do the MGF :wink3
How about finding a Honda-engine Tourer and doing a B18C4 conversion for 200+bhp? Then you can buy a Hondata system and go for gold? Poly conversion mouting kits exist for the CRX, etc. I expect you'd more easily find a bunch of Honda nutters who would be able to spec. a system in terms of the injectors, fuel pump, etc. Honda has a massive following in the US. And I know for the D series there are full sets of forged con-rods, 3-level racing cams, adjustable cam gears and so on. These must all exist for the B18 engine too I would have thought. Honestly no idea what anyone has actually made the B18 engines do. For most people, 200BHP in a car designed to be nippy with a 1.6, 110bhp engine in it is good enough.

These guys would be able to help, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfng1aC6CW4

And I think this might be the same guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7QMxNSOn1Q
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#12 Post by JOHNDQ » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:15 am

I don't think 200bhp gonna be enough mate. My 200 is about 190bhp at the mo and weighted 1070 kg with the seats in. When I went to pod earlier this month I removed all but the drivers seat and I just dropped into the late 14's (I must admit tho I'm still running a open diff so had to pull away at 3000prm and drop tyre pressure to 14psi or would just wheel spin thought first and half of second and my engine has no power below 4000rpm) I agree tho the tuned Honda's do go and there probably the best in the FWD challenge :wink3 my original thinking to use a Rover engine tho was because I have all the parts/emerald ECU/wiring etc already so that side of things would have been fairly straightforward but I also have a Motec M800 so really wouldn't matter what engine I chose one or the other ecu would run it. I heard there is also a upgrade for the emerald now for launch control and some other stuff

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#13 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:30 am

JOHNDQ wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:15 am
I don't think 200bhp gonna be enough mate. My 200 is about 190bhp at the mo and weighted 1070 kg with the seats in. When I went to pod earlier this month I removed all but the drivers seat and I just dropped into the late 14's (I must admit tho I'm still running a open diff so had to pull away at 3000prm and drop tyre pressure to 14psi or would just wheel spin thought first and half of second and my engine has no power below 4000rpm) I agree tho the tuned Honda's do go and there probably the best in the FWD challenge :wink3 my original thinking to use a Rover engine tho was because I have all the parts/emerald ECU/wiring etc already so that side of things would have been fairly straightforward but I also have a Motec M800 so really wouldn't matter what engine I chose one or the other ecu would run it. I heard there is also a upgrade for the emerald now for launch control and some other stuff
Yeah, but in theory someone has done a turbo or supercharger conversion on a B18 and they're getting 300bhp-350bhp somewhere in the world, and it probably just keeps on working.

There's a video on YouTube of a standard 1.4 Civic hatch fitted with a supercharged K20, pulling 435bhp. You wouldn't sniff at that, would you?

Loads of Honda tuning companies out there and they can probably tell you what they can do with the engine. I only mentioned the B18C4 because of the mount conversion kits, etc - it's a standard (ish) conversion that's not too difficult to pull off. No reason why you couldn't go higher...
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