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Standing water

#1 Post by Nigel B » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:14 pm

Help!!
My car stalls when I hit the smallest puddle then will not immediately restart, when it does it then misfires for sometime and can stall again
Any remedies??
Car in daily use P reg 1.6k series Tourer

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Re: Standing water

#2 Post by GTiJohn » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:13 am

Have you got the undertray and any other underbonnet shielding missing?

It does sound as if water is getting where it shudn't orta :laughing2
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Re: Standing water

#3 Post by Nigel B » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:31 am

GTiJohn wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:13 am
Have you got the undertray and any other underbonnet shielding missing?

It does sound as if water is getting where it shudn't orta :laughing2
What undertray?? I have nothing

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Re: Standing water

#4 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:32 am

Nigel B wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:31 am
GTiJohn wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:13 am
Have you got the undertray and any other underbonnet shielding missing?

It does sound as if water is getting where it shudn't orta :laughing2
What undertray?? I have nothing
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Hopefully, you've got both wheel arch liners (item 4) too...
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Re: Standing water

#5 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:27 pm

Need to find one from a scrappy! :)
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Re: Standing water

#6 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:42 pm

Nigel B wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:14 pm
Help!!
My car stalls when I hit the smallest puddle then will not immediately restart, when it does it then misfires for sometime and can stall again
Any remedies??
Car in daily use P reg 1.6k series Tourer
Aside from the issue of any missing parts, I would check over the ignition system especially the low tension spade connectors on the coil, make sure they're clean & tight, service everything. Then wait for a dry day run the engine till hot, sw off, then spray the ignition system with a water repellant spray such as WD40 etc.

Don't take her wading without a skirt on! :D

Edited to add; also check the engine earth connection is clean and a bright metal contact with the slam panel [Rimmers refer to it as' Platform, bonnet, locking]
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Re: Standing water

#7 Post by Nigel B » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:55 pm

Johnny 216GSi wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:32 am
Nigel B wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:31 am
GTiJohn wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:13 am
Have you got the undertray and any other underbonnet shielding missing?

It does sound as if water is getting where it shudn't orta :laughing2
What undertray?? I have nothing
Item 8 on this diagram: https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID002514

Hopefully, you've got both wheel arch liners (item 4) too...
Thank you for this, do have the wheel arch liners, but it appears item 8 is no longer available so I will start checking the scrap yards

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Re: Standing water

#8 Post by Nigel B » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:57 pm

Mr Teddy Bear wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:42 pm
Nigel B wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:14 pm
Help!!
My car stalls when I hit the smallest puddle then will not immediately restart, when it does it then misfires for sometime and can stall again
Any remedies??
Car in daily use P reg 1.6k series Tourer
Aside from the issue of any missing parts, I would check over the ignition system especially the low tension spade connectors on the coil, make sure they're clean & tight, service everything. Then wait for a dry day run the engine till hot, sw off, then spray the ignition system with a water repellant spray such as WD40 etc.

Don't take her wading without a skirt on! :D

Edited to add; also check the engine earth connection is clean and a bright metal contact with the slam panel [Rimmers refer to it as' Platform, bonnet, locking]
Not long changed all serviceable ignition parts but some may have worked loose, but don't remember changing the coil, where will I find it??

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Re: Standing water

#9 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:10 pm

On my M Reg 414 it's sunk into the nearside wheel arch panel, just behind the headlamp unit below the slam panel.
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Re: Standing water

#10 Post by crepello » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:11 pm

Have you ruled out getting the head skimmed?

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#11 Post by abuthebes » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:18 pm

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Re: Standing water

#12 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:19 pm

Nigel: as T.B. says, you should find the coil in the nearside inner wing, near the battery (follow the HT lead across from the distributor cap)

Make sure the top of the coil is as clean as possible; any dirt here will absorb stray water and short out the HT to earth until it has dried out.
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Re: Standing water

#13 Post by rover416 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:45 pm

Coil or what it's called on the 1.6 K series engine is located at the rear of the engine below the inlet manifold. The HT lead passes some metal components on it's path to the distributor cap.Make sure this lead is not shorting out especialy if wet onto an earthing point.Clean this lead and make sure it is a nice tight push fit onto it's terminal.As mentioned spray all HT leads with a water repellant spray.I have no splash under tray on any of my 4 R8's and even in the wet west of Scotland this does not cause a problem.Best place to see if you have HT tracking to earth is when it's dark and look under the bonnet whilst some one cranks the engine over look for a blue arc between a point on the lead to a metat point.Don't forget to clean and dry both inside and outside if the distributer cap.

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Re: Standing water

#14 Post by 1234dist » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:41 pm

considered the gearbox to body earth strap that's on the nearside.
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Re: Standing water

#15 Post by Nigel B » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:49 am

rover416 wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:45 pm
Coil or what it's called on the 1.6 K series engine is located at the rear of the engine below the inlet manifold. The HT lead passes some metal components on it's path to the distributor cap.Make sure this lead is not shorting out especialy if wet onto an earthing point.Clean this lead and make sure it is a nice tight push fit onto it's terminal.As mentioned spray all HT leads with a water repellant spray.I have no splash under tray on any of my 4 R8's and even in the wet west of Scotland this does not cause a problem.Best place to see if you have HT tracking to earth is when it's dark and look under the bonnet whilst some one cranks the engine over look for a blue arc between a point on the lead to a metat point.Don't forget to clean and dry both inside and outside if the distributer cap.
Had not found the coil in the wing area and now I know why!!
Had traced it to the rear of the engine but as yet have not had the time or weather to sort it out (all work and no play)
On looking it looks like I might need to remove the injector rail? (I think that is what it is called)

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