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Potential Head Problem

#1 Post by cybercontroller » Wed May 15, 2019 11:40 am

Took the Rover 25 for a service and they have found a lot of oil in the coolant and they believe it has been there for a while. So they say it is not worth performing a service as it is.
Although I have not driven it a lot, there have been a couple of 40 mile round trips as well as few shorter trip with the temperature seeming fine. So am wondering what can be done here as they were suggesting the head needing skimmed as well as possibly the head gasket but they are not able to do that there.

Help and advice would be much appreciated.

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#2 Post by JOHNDQ » Wed May 15, 2019 1:06 pm

A lot of garages don't want to do the K Series best advice is to go to someone familiar with the engine

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#3 Post by cybercontroller » Wed May 15, 2019 1:10 pm

What would we be looking at cost wise? I am really hoping we are not looking at a deal breaker cost here.
And any recommendations in the NW London, Middlesex or Buckinghamshire regions.

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#4 Post by 1234dist » Wed May 15, 2019 2:10 pm

Move up north and come to the professionals...*laughs*

Alternatively crack on and do it yourself, it’s about 2hrs with the right tools. Or call out a mobile mechanic.
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Re: Potential Head Problem

#5 Post by richard moss » Wed May 15, 2019 3:23 pm

cybercontroller wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:10 pm
What would we be looking at cost wise? I am really hoping we are not looking at a deal breaker cost here.
And any recommendations in the NW London, Middlesex or Buckinghamshire regions.
I'm sure that someone on here will be able to recommend a reliable, affordable guy near you
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Re: Potential Head Problem

#6 Post by cybercontroller » Wed May 15, 2019 5:03 pm

I would bring it up north for a good repair at a decent price but would it make it there.
awm motorsport look like they have potential but the logistics of getting there would be a challenge.

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#7 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Wed May 15, 2019 6:28 pm

cybercontroller wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:10 pm
What would we be looking at cost wise? I am really hoping we are not looking at a deal breaker cost here.
And any recommendations in the NW London, Middlesex or Buckinghamshire regions.
How about Brown & Gammons in Hertfordshire?

They used to advertise on Ebay a couple of years ago, offering a full MLS head gasket upgrade. They're obviously familiar with doing lots of these and are prepared to stand by their work...

Brown and Gammons
18 High Street
Baldock
Herts
SG7 6AS
England
Tel 01462 490049
https://www.ukmgparts.com

Don't be put off by the website name or the fact they are now MG through and through - they still do lots of work on older cars including classic British vehicles that pre-date the R8. HGFs, servicing, bodywork and welding work/fabrication - everything.

I think they were fitting a FAI (or similar) MLS head gasket. It's generally accepted that the SAIC one is best (6 layer?) and get the oil rail upgrade too. Does depend on whether your bore liners have dropped as I understand it - there are many other K series experts on here who would be able to provide you more details.

MG Rover mobile mechanics is another place - but they're up in the Midlands (Derbyshire) with a limited free call-out region - beyond that you have to pay. They keep skimmed heads in stock and operate on an exchange basis when they come and do the work.

MG Rover Mobile Mechanics
Unit 7
Endland Industrial Estate
Parcel Terrace
Derby
DE1 1LY
07595 708278

On their "services" page:

K-SERIES NON VVC HEAD GASKET REPLACEMENTS
=========================================

MLS Triple Layer or Elastomer Head Gasket
Cambelt & Cambelt Tensioner
Waterpump
Inlet Manifold Gasket
Exhaust Manifold Gasket
Oil
Oil Filter
Coolant refill and bleed with fresh O.A.T Antifreeze
Exchange head service if applicable*
Head bolts where required (If original are out of measurement specification)
Available Mobile & Garage Based

£320 (+VAT ? not sure) - and I'm pretty sure the Brown and Gammons price wasn't too dissimilar, though there sales pitch was "preventative." You'd have to enquire as to whether they can deal with a possible head skim too.
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Re: Potential Head Problem

#8 Post by JOHNDQ » Wed May 15, 2019 9:51 pm

Whereabouts are you and if you don't mind me asking what budget have you got to spare?

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#9 Post by 961tat » Wed May 15, 2019 10:13 pm

Is the car running ok with no issues ?

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#10 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Wed May 15, 2019 11:27 pm

JOHNDQ wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 9:51 pm
Whereabouts are you and if you don't mind me asking what budget have you got to spare?
He's NW London - Middlesex/Buckinghamshire way - see earlier post.
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Re: Potential Head Problem

#11 Post by cybercontroller » Thu May 16, 2019 9:28 am

961tat wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:13 pm
Is the car running ok with no issues ?
Temperature gauge has been steady in the middle. Engine may be a bit noisy but seemed to be running fine. Perhaps felt to be running out of steam at around 70mph but as I am used to a V6 or V8 thought that may be the difference in cc.
Found the clutch a bit low and keen but almost got used to that. Only stalling occasionally now.

Of course, I want to confirm exactly what they have found. Over the phone, I was told there was a lot of oil in the coolant and they thought the head would need skimming and refitting. So I am going on the premise that this is the case and so will also need the head gasket replaced. But as I mentioned, no signs of this when driving.

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#12 Post by 961tat » Thu May 16, 2019 11:49 pm

If its running ok leave it , how long have you had the car ? That oil could be left from last time head gasket was done .
Flush the coolant system and put fresh in first , before you go spending money on something that may not be a issue .

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#13 Post by 1234dist » Fri May 17, 2019 6:46 am

I disagree with that, it’s a hell of a lot easier to do a hgf when it’s not Mayo central than to wait for it to happen.

If it’s never overheated, you won’t even need to skim it so 2hrs to disassemble and 2hrs to reassemble including all other gaskets on the way just for piece of mind that you know it’s done.
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Re: Potential Head Problem

#14 Post by cybercontroller » Fri May 17, 2019 9:48 am

Had the Rover nearly three weeks. Felt it a good idea to get a full service done which is when this was pointed out. The Service History is sketchy and there was supposedly a recent service that is not in the history but no way to verify that. The oil is clean though.

I do think it is worth getting head gasket done as you say. I believe there are improved upgraded ones available now too.

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Re: Potential Head Problem

#15 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Fri May 17, 2019 4:38 pm

A decent garage will be able to do both a cylinder compression test and a cooling system pressure test; that's more professional than just making a guess!

The through bolt passages also act as a oil return so there could be a leak between one of those and water jacket, but it would be nice to eliminate all other possibilities first.

You need to entrust any work done to proper experts, there are lot's of [head gasket/thro' bolt/oil rail] permutations including SAIC's latest with a different through bolt & tightening sequence.
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