416 Rear Window Finishing Trim Removal

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416 Rear Window Finishing Trim Removal

#1 Post by Plodder » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:19 pm

Hi I was wondering if anyone had any experience or tips on removing the finishing trim on the rear window of a 91 416?
I've got an area of rust that has crept under the lower finishing trim on the rear window and I would like to remove the trim to treat and paint the rust area properly. Looking in the Rover manual and on the Rimmers website the lower trim pieces are held in place with 3 clips. Rimmers appear to have stock of the clips so I could replace them if they get broken but getting hold of a replacement trim looks a little more problematic. So I don't want to damage the trim if I can help it. If anyone can suggest a way of getting this trim off easily (or has done it previously) I would be very grateful. Thanks
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Re: 416 Rear Window Finishing Trim Removal

#2 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:24 am

Which trim are you talking about? rear passenger door/glass trim, I think Rimmers call it a waist trim [ I've done one of those] or the rear window trim? if the latter you need to talk to Simon Templar of this forum. :D
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Re: 416 Rear Window Finishing Trim Removal

#3 Post by Mike Templar » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:13 pm

It's been some time since I did one of these so can't quite recall, but there is a 400 laying in my local breakers, so I'll make a point of taking it off to have a look next time I'm down there.

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#4 Post by Plodder » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:15 pm

Thanks for all the responses.
The trim is on the rear window not the door.
The Rimmers link is below and it is item 11 for the offside Part No.: DCD10134
://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID002728
Not sure why it's gone rusty at this point but I've treated what I can see a couple of times but it just keeps coming back. As far as I can see it hasn't rusted through the top of the rear wing yet so hopefully by taking the trim off I can do the job properly and hopefully find out if there is anything else that needs fixing behind the trim
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Re: 416 Rear Window Finishing Trim Removal

#5 Post by Vulgalour » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:49 am

I'd be interested to know this too. I suspect I've a broken clip on mine as it's loose on one corner but I daren't poke it in case I make it worse.
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#6 Post by Mike Templar » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:10 am

I took the bottom trim off the 400 at my breakers today, using a 90 degree hook tool from my pick set. It took me about 5 minutes, and with no damage to the trim itself although I did break 2 of the clips.
Basically, I slid the hook under the trim and felt for the small tangs on the clip that locate in the innermost side of the trim. A deft flick with the hook to release them (2 per clip) and it came away. One note to go really easy though, as the imprecise nature of window bonding can cause this to ooze onto the clip.

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#7 Post by Plodder » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:32 pm

Mike
Thanks for that information it is really helpful.
I have ordered some spare clips this afternoon from Rimmers so with your description and the clips in my hand I should be able to get the fitting off with ease.
Looking closely at the finishing trim I can see that it has an edge seal to stop water running down behind the finisher and there is a gap so it is not in contact with the screen.
My guess is that water has been running down the back of the finisher and collecting on the rear wing causing it to rust. Now I can get the finisher off I can hopefully repair the wing and then make sure the seal is good when I put it back together.
I will post an update when I get the job done. Thanks again for your time and advice. Nigel
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#8 Post by Vulgalour » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:43 am

Useful info. It's probably the reason I get a very tiny amount of damp in the car in the back sometimes, there's no other obvious point of water ingress, so if this isn't sealing or diverting water properly that would explain it. They're stainless steel aren't they, these trims? I know the quarter light to rear window dividers are and I suspect the trim for the weather strips is too.
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#9 Post by Plodder » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:24 pm

My trim is black so I am not sure what material it is made off.
I got some picks and hooks today so i will be able to try and get the trim off this week.
I am also going to have a look in the boot to see if you can access the clips from inside the boot and then remove it from the trim once I have the trim and clips off the car.
Not sure how to upload photos and instructions but I'll try and record everything I see and find
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#10 Post by Julesmat50 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:17 am

Plodder wrote:Not sure how to upload photos and instructions but I'll try and record everything I see and find
Find a photo hosting site (most people seem to use Flickr now, DON'T use photobucket),upload them onto that site and then post the links the site gives you on the forum. Someone (usually 1234dist! :D ) will upload the photos into the forum so we can all see your progress :)
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Re: 416 Rear Window Finishing Trim Removal

#12 Post by Plodder » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:38 pm

Mike
How long is the bent part of your pick?
Had several attempts at removing the trim with no success. I'm wondering if the pick is a bit on the big side (they call them miniature picks) and I'm not getting in the right position to release the clips.
Can you remember if the clip is positioned at the bottom or the middle of the Moulding? I'm wondering if I'm not b getting down to the clip because the pick diameter is too big
Thanks
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#13 Post by Mike Templar » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:08 pm

If you study the picture showing the clips, they look like they have 2 horns on them. It is these two horns that locate in the innermost edge of the trim, the part that is closest to the glass and it is these that I release using the right-angled tip of a pick.
Basically, feel along until you locate the clip and test further until you feel the horns, the trick is to flick these out of the trim and then it will release.

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#14 Post by Plodder » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:22 pm

Thanks Mike I'll give it another go. Probably one of those things once you've done one you can't see what the problem was
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#15 Post by Mike Templar » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:31 pm

Study the picture of the clip and try to envisage how it sits behind the trim.
It helps!
As there seems to be a problem with these I'll grab every one I can find and the clips whenever I see one from now on. Given that I spend a day a week on average in breakers yards (part of the job) I should be able to build up a stock.

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