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How to change gearbox 216

#1 Post by 2rovers » Sun May 06, 2012 11:49 pm

Ok guys , I had a whining noise, and occasional 5 th gear slip, I thought it was just me not being used to the gate, turns out not so.
Took her for a spin tonight and something serious is amiss , thus I need to change the box asap .
How do I do this, I'm moderately experienced and have replaced engines before now, but I want to change the box without removing engine too much.

Any help would be very very much appreciated.
This is kind of urgent.
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Re: How to change gearbox 216

#2 Post by roverman1 » Mon May 07, 2012 5:29 pm

If it's a Honda engine it's fairly straight forward job, engine can stay in place.
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#3 Post by 2rovers » Tue May 15, 2012 12:06 pm

Cheers rover man , got cracking onto it.
Took me 2 days because of the weather! (rain again!).

It wasn't too difficult , the only slight difficulties I had was getting to the rear bolt and slipping off the link rods.

After a healthy amount of cursing and trying to re-align the new box up to the engine, everything went back together as planned.

Not the lightest of jobs to do given the conditions.

After replacing everything and test running all was well, until I noticed a funky smell coming from the engine.
Turns out I was supposed to replace the seals at the same time , and thus my new gear oil had began to seep onto the exhaust causing the potent smell and occasional whispers of smoke.

I've ordered a new set and expect them through to be fitted soon.

I have some suspicions that perhaps if the seals were knackered beforehand that it was them that may have led to the box failing in the first place !!!! :cursing
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Re: How to change gearbox 216

#4 Post by roverman1 » Tue May 15, 2012 1:06 pm

Well i never replaced the seals, the only seal that normally failes is the crank seal, then you would need to remove the fly wheel to get at it, the oil would leak into the bell housing and could contaminate the clutch plate and also leak through the join between the box and the engine.
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#5 Post by 2rovers » Tue May 15, 2012 1:22 pm

From where I've been looking it appears to be coming from where the shaft enters the box .

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#6 Post by roverman1 » Tue May 15, 2012 1:32 pm

So you have the Rover gearbox and engine and not the Honda, because looking at the seals they are for the R65 box and not the Honda PG1 box.
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#7 Post by 2rovers » Tue May 15, 2012 1:35 pm

I most certainly do have the rover engine, with the r65 box .
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#8 Post by threelitre » Tue May 15, 2012 5:10 pm

Certainly not the most robust of gearboxes... The one we have in the Tourer made all sorts of strange noises for a long time. It also started to leak oil, but that was later on and could easily be spotted on the outside of the casing. Last year we've had it repaired with new bearings, seals and fitted with a new clutch. Did cost way more than many other Tourers available here in Germany though...

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#9 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Tue May 15, 2012 11:30 pm

Must be down to variable build quality.

I have owned two 214 SEis, built a few months apart in 1994. The first one completed over 200,000 miles on its original gearbox (still in perfect working order when I sold the car last year), the second one, despite being owned by a mature driver for most of its life, had a new gearbox fitted at 57,000 miles before it came into my ownership.
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#10 Post by 2rovers » Wed May 16, 2012 12:03 am

Ah the joys of motoring eh, needless to say I didn't achieve a great deal today, weather !

Il try tomorrow. The box I put in came from an 78k p reg tourer, and I'm sure it should last, worst case scenario it's not such a long job now after doing it already, il know what to look for and should shave a lot of time off if I ever have to replace it again, hopefully not!

Still doesn't put me off the car either way though as its worth it.
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#11 Post by threelitre » Wed May 16, 2012 9:34 am

It seems a box that is easy enough to work on. The one in our Tourer was basically broken when my brother bought it with about 85k miles. Still we managed to get another 50k miles out of it, before the noises became really worrying. But I know of plenty of Rover 200s, 400s and even 100s that needed the gearboxes rebuilt with low or medium high mileages. In fact the majority of the cars I know with the R65 box needed a rebuild at some point. There is a company selling rebuild kits on ebay for a good price - I used them a couple of times and the mechanic who did the work found the quality of the supplied bearings good.

The PG1 is way superior, except for the differential bearings of later. Rover manufactured boxes. The early ones came from Honda and did not have this problem.

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#12 Post by 2rovers » Sun May 20, 2012 3:39 pm

Well, story so far is the new seals have been fitted, new oil added, and all is well.
No leaks and no unwanted noises coming from the box and smoother gear changes too.
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