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Front Sub frame bent

#1 Post by anchor » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:55 pm

Hi

I have bent the front sub frame on the drivers side of my beloved cabbie - dont bloody ask!

I am loathe to scrap it and wondered if it was a fools errand to try and get it replaced?

I am not technical and would need to emply a mechanic but looking at costs.

Am I right in thinking this is what I need parts wise.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400912169337

I have a 1996 216 cabby on a P plate.

I have been given a steer on a mechanic so unsure what he might charge but an AA mate said as it is an older car the actual job is not a huige mare.

Any thoughts on here?

Many Thanks in advance

Danny

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#2 Post by anchor » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:58 pm

This is my car - if you scroll down a bit.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11908&p=72773#p72773

Sorry i've not been on much.
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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#3 Post by GTiJohn » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:46 pm

There are 2 'front' subframes on R8s (and R3s) for that matter and several different variants of each so you need to be careful.

The 'real' front subframe sits ahead of the front wheels, below the radiator. The rear subframe is behind the front wheels and carries the steering rack.

The one in the photo is a rear subframe. The words '218' and 'Auto' are clearly visible so it should be correct one for your car, assuming it is a K-series and not a late-registered Honda D-series. If yours a bubble dash then it'll be a K. The same rear subframe fits a manual- and an auto- K-series.

I've seen better preserved frames but if needs must...

It's a reasonable, but not huge, job that a good mechanic with a ramp should easily be able to do but start dosing all fixings with Rustoff (or similar) asap to give you a chance of getting the old fixing out :D
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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#4 Post by anchor » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:55 pm

Many thanks for your reply.

Like i say I am not overly technical.

How do you denote a bubble dash?

Also i am guessing that as my drivers side wheel has been shunted back then it is the Front sub frame that has been bent/I need to replace?

I did take it to a mechanic who told me it was effed and he just told me to scrap it. It was only my AA mate who suggested a fix. Which I have started looking into.

dan

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#5 Post by 1234dist » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:37 pm

anchor wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:55 pm


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400912169337

That's a rear subframe, below is what is commonly known as the front subframe for your car

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#6 Post by anchor » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:07 pm

Thanks - Have you got a link for that?

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#7 Post by anchor » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:25 pm


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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#8 Post by crepello » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:50 pm

anchor wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:55 pm
Also i am guessing that as my drivers side wheel has been shunted back then it is the Front sub frame that has been bent/I need to replace?
Could you provide a pic of the damage (pref with wheel removed)?
The inner end of the lower suspension arm mounts into the 'rear-front' subframe, and the shunt could have distorted the mount area.
There is also a tie rod from the lower arm, about 3/4 of the way out, which runs forward and mounts in a pocket in the 'front-front' subframe.
If the shunt was severe, the impulse pull on the tie rod may have upset the pocket of the 'front-front' subframe.

Subframe swaps are doable DIY, with assistance, but there are component variations to suit differing engine mount requirements, and also for power/manual steering options.

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#9 Post by 961tat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:03 pm

Hello got front and rear sub frame , fixing bolts, tie rods and more for you repair if needed all off a cabby , were are you based ?

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#10 Post by anchor » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:14 am

crepello wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:50 pm
anchor wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:55 pm
Also i am guessing that as my drivers side wheel has been shunted back then it is the Front sub frame that has been bent/I need to replace?
Could you provide a pic of the damage (pref with wheel removed)?
The inner end of the lower suspension arm mounts into the 'rear-front' subframe, and the shunt could have distorted the mount area.
There is also a tie rod from the lower arm, about 3/4 of the way out, which runs forward and mounts in a pocket in the 'front-front' subframe.
If the shunt was severe, the impulse pull on the tie rod may have upset the pocket of the 'front-front' subframe.

Subframe swaps are doable DIY, with assistance, but there are component variations to suit differing engine mount requirements, and also for power/manual steering options.
Hi thanks for the info - I am at a bloody wedding all day saturday but Sunday looks better. I'll get the wheel off and get some snaps taken.

I took it to a mechanic last night who declined - mainly as he has no ramp and althougha Rover fanatic more a classic car resto person - he recommended another mechanic I am going to phone today to see if he will have a look.

Cheers.

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#11 Post by anchor » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:15 am

961tat wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:03 pm
Hello got front and rear sub frame , fixing bolts, tie rods and more for you repair if needed all off a cabby , were are you based ?
Hi - I am based in Cradley Heath in the Black Country, West Midlands. Where are you?

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#12 Post by 961tat » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:25 am

Lancaster , do you know what you need get ? Front sub frame £10 can post . Also going to NEC clastic car show .

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#13 Post by anchor » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:54 am

Well - I need the front sub frame. I am going to take it to anotgher mechanic who will hopefully direct me as to anything else I might need - can I get back in touch with you then?

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#14 Post by 961tat » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:22 pm

Yes no problem

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Re: Front Sub frame bent

#15 Post by Cromp85 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:20 pm

I might be able to give you some help with this as Cradley is local to me. If you want i could have a look at the damage on your car and advise on what needs replacing.
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