How many R8's left - do we have a definitive number?

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How many R8's left - do we have a definitive number?

#1 Post by tompinney » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:42 pm

Has the club got any definitive current idea as to how many R8 Rover 200/400's are left on the road? How many left I don't fully trust the accuracy of and at the same time it doesn't record by individual registered models of a particular generation so I can't just search for all "Rover 200" and "Rover 400" because they don't make any distinction between the R8, R3 and HHR variants.

When you search how many left it suggests the following numbers as of Q4 2020:
Rover 200 series: Taxed: 3338 SORN: 9017
Rover 400 series: Taxed: 1584 SORN: 4239

I'm currently developing some interesting leads to get more accurate data based on VIN numbers (something I've been trying to do on and off for years) and one such lead is showing some early signs of promise at present :) From that source I've been told there are currently 7214 R8 Rover 200/400's still about based on VIN information. I've not yet confirmed with my source if that is just taxed or taxed and SORN, but based on the howmany left numbers it would seem to suggest that number does likely include SORN vehicles.
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Re: How many R8's left - do we have a definitive number?

#2 Post by crepello » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:01 pm

Doing it by VIN should enable analysis by build configuration, and get valuable insight to aid provision of specific repair parts.

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#3 Post by Vinny1979 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:22 pm

That’s a great number considering the youngest is what 22?

How many Ford escorts or Vauxhall Astra or similar of the same era are left
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#4 Post by GTiJohn » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:53 am

I've got nothing better than howmanyleft which we all know is limited.

I took appropriate proportions in crossover years between R8 and R3 when generating the data for this - https://www.aronline.co.uk/opinion/mg-r ... many-left/

I would be very interested in anything VIN based for obvious reasons :cool
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#5 Post by tompinney » Wed May 05, 2021 12:27 pm

I have what I hope are some definitive numbers based on a cut of DVLA bulk data for the R8 dated from 4th May 2021:

Based on those records there are 7189 Taxed and SORN R8 remaining on UK roads with the breakdown as follows (based on decoding the body style from the VIN):

2dr Cabriolet = 1457
2dr Coupe = 1540
3rd Hatchback = 283
4dr Saloon = 1525
5dr Hatchback = 1816
Tourer = 522

The eagle eyed will spot that the maths doesn't add up to the total number, that's because I have about 40 cars that I couldn't load into my database that I need to inspect manually and a further 6 or so that I can't work out the bodystyle from the letter in VIN because it doesn't match with any of the decoding information in the EPC :S

This is just a very crude first pass having only had the day for less than 24 hours and I have a LOT more work to refine the data to do some more meaningful analysis of specific models etc. More to follow as I have time to inspect that data.
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#6 Post by crepello » Wed May 05, 2021 1:16 pm

About 1% of production?

Don't think I'll crush my 3-dr just yet!

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#7 Post by tompinney » Wed May 05, 2021 1:24 pm

Not that low. I reckon a good guess would be somewhere around the 10% remaining mark is more likely, although I have no evidence to back that up though.

The DVLA data I have is only Taxed and SORN cars, anthing untaxed (i.e. scrapped) isn't included.
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#8 Post by Monster Hunter » Wed May 05, 2021 1:59 pm

tom a great find, do you have the totals built for the above....
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#9 Post by tompinney » Wed May 05, 2021 2:02 pm

Sadly no build totals, but I might be able to determine that from the later EPCs because apparently they do have the VINs listed. My early 2002 EPC copy doesn't have that information sadly.

An interesting if slightly useless stat, 267 of these cars are still with their original purchaser and one is on its 22nd owner :o
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#10 Post by GTiJohn » Wed May 05, 2021 4:32 pm

Fascinating info :clapping

And it sounds like much more to come :D
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#11 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Wed May 05, 2021 6:23 pm

I thought that I'd read somewhere that total production was approx' 930,000 mark?
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#12 Post by crepello » Wed May 05, 2021 7:28 pm

tompinney wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 2:02 pm
267 of these cars are still with their original purchaser
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#13 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Wed May 05, 2021 11:04 pm

I’ve seen there are only 3 1996 registered 214 SEi’s taxed at present, but about 140 taxed that were registered in 1994/95.

Mine is one of the three 1996 ones which is pleasing to know - seems I’ve got one of the latest registered 214 SEi’s in existence :cool
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#14 Post by scoubix » Wed May 05, 2021 11:29 pm

tompinney wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 2:02 pm
Sadly no build totals, but I might be able to determine that from the later EPCs because apparently they do have the VINs listed. My early 2002 EPC copy doesn't have that information sadly.

An interesting if slightly useless stat, 267 of these cars are still with their original purchaser and one is on its 22nd owner :o
The EPC will only give you a list of UK cars for which reg numbers are known and matched to a VIN. I've extracted that list myself and it has a total of a little over 500,000 VINs.
But there's been close to a million car produced. A little over 55% of the production was for home market, the rest was export markets...

AD-prefix cars have numbers ranging from 200001 (1st production car) to AD871145 (last UK-reg'ed AD-prefix car) so that's a total of approx. 671,145 cars built before BD-cars were introduced for MY94.5 (early 1994 summer).
BD-prefix cars start at BD001001 and end at BD249441 for the 1st production line they were built on, that's an additional 248441 cars, and then from BD900001 to XD935068 (XD was for MY98, with WD as interim for MY97 when they finally decided to encode each different MY into the VIN) on the 2nd production line where the production of Tourer, Cab and Coupe was relocated when it was decided that they'd still be produced when the new 200 and 400 would have launched and taken over the other R8 variants. So that's an additional 35,068 cars.

In total this amounts to 954,653 cars, not a final figure as I only base this on the assumption that last VIN for each batch was indeed the last car of that batch, where it is only known this was the last RHD car for which a UK reg is known.
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#15 Post by Montegoman » Thu May 06, 2021 6:46 am

The "official' figures quoted by Rover at the end of production was 953,699. Whether that is based on a true calculation or whether it was someone in the Press Office quickly putting some figures together to come up with a number to report I don't know!
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