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Comfort Vehicle Theft

#1 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:43 pm

I know that it's best to take everything printed on line in the Daily Wail with a strong pinch of salt; however I couldn't help smiling reading about a victim of car theft.

He had paid 500 extra for comfort entry to his new BMW! Went to bed with the keys on his bed side table, got up still with the keys, but no car :)

It seems these new keyless entry systems actually provide comfort entry for sophisticated car thieves while the vehicle is parked on your own drive! :laughing


At least people knock on the door round my way and ask if they can buy your car! :romeo
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#2 Post by Julesmat50 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:02 pm

There was an article recently about the increase in theft of vehicles fitted with keyless entry, Apparently for very little money it's possible to buy a signal relay box that boosts and bounces the signal from the key to the car - allowing thieves to unlock, start and drive away the car, just by standing in range of the key - which with newish batteries is certain to be outside the house. As long as they don't turn it off before getting to the chop shop, it's plain sailing. The recommendation was to always keep the keys overnight in an RFID container which blocks the signal from the key until YOU want to unlock and start the car.

On a side note, this reminds me of a cautionary tale I heard when keyless entry was just being introduced. A man got into his car for a meeeting in London. He set off and parked up in a carpark having reached his destination. When he came back to his car, although he could get into it, it wouldn't start. Turns out he'd left the key in a jacket hanging up in the hall at home. The key had the range to reach the car on his drive, enabling him to set off, but of course wasn't able to reach the 200 miles to London where he was parked. He had to have the car recovered back to his house. :oops
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#3 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:09 pm

:laughing2

Not alot of sympathy from me I'm afraid.
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#4 Post by Liverpoolman1 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:42 am

Oh dear. Last week I bought a new BMW.

This security thing means that the model railway alongside my 216 Cabriolet in the garage will have to be packed away.

Oh dear. At present the BMW is parked on the drive but I am not saying where we live. Oh dear.

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#5 Post by GTiJohn » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:58 am

The answer might be relatively simple - https://makezine.com/2015/08/14/block-c ... aday-cage/ :laughing2

i guess the only way to prove it is to bung your keys in such a tin and try to unlock your car as usual.

There are plenty of pouches available on ebay but I have no confirmation that these work. Has anybody any experience of either tins or pouches?
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#6 Post by 1234dist » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:19 am

or just save your £500 and buy another r8 with it :clapping
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#7 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:19 am

A proper Faraday Cage needs to be earthed otherwise you can get a shock depending on the level of R.F energy in the vicinity. :blink

As my newest car dates from 1996 it's not an issue for me thankfully; but surely a case of not risk assessing a new design concept pre-production with a vigorous 'what could go wrong' exercise? :D
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#8 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:25 am

1234dist wrote:
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or just save your £500 and buy another r8 with it :clapping

That would be me then [well nearly] :wink3
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#9 Post by Julesmat50 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:14 pm

GTiJohn wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:58 am
There are plenty of pouches available on ebay but I have no confirmation that these work. Has anybody any experience of either tins or pouches?
Not directly, but as part of my job I delivered a keyless operated vehicle to auction on Friday and had to put the spare key in a pouch with a velcro sealed flap to prevent the signal from the key reaching the car, as it was being kept in a lockbox attached to the rear window.
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#10 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:01 pm

My 414 is cloaked! or in other words no one notices it :mellow
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#11 Post by Kriss707 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:59 pm

Seen this very subject reported a few months ago, there was the car owners CCTV footage of 2 blokes on his drive having his Merc away in about 30 secs. All they had was a small box each, one stood by the car one stood by the house door. It was quite scary how quick they were able to pull up and be off the car.

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#12 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:09 pm

25 years of progress, eh?!

Early remote locking systems generally used an infra-red or radio frequency transmitter and thieves soon found they could intercept the code as the owner unlocked the car, then go back to it later, transmit the code to it and drive it away.

So we moved on to systems like the Lucas 5AS used by Rover and Land Rover for a long time, where the fob and receiver would be set up to use a different ('rolling') code every time so that it would be useless to anybody intercepting it. Others also used a transponder chip in the ignition key, which would communicate with the car when the key was put in the ignition switch.

Things eventually got so secure that the only way to steal a car was to break in to the house and steal the keys or mug the owner for them.

So now we are back to square one :slapme

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#13 Post by Liverpoolman1 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:56 pm

This keyless thing is passed off as PROGRESS. However, as my son has just pointed out to me, we did not have these problems when we all had simple straightforward KEYS to lock and unlock our cars. What price progress, eh!

Should I take the new BMW back and buy half a dozen old Rovers instead?

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#14 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:43 pm

:drive1

You know you want to!
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#15 Post by 220 GSi turbo » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:15 pm

Should have bought a Jaguar instead. Or maybe a Lexus :)

Mind you, if you go back 40 years or so, if you bought a Ford you effectively bought the use of most Fords on the road. There was only about 100 different key patterns and the locks were of such poor quality that after a year or two of wear, any key would fit :laughing2
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